When check fluid level at the end, Make sure oil temperature is within 40-45C, or 10X F, with infrared temperature gun pointing at the oil pan. Did the return cooler line flush in the driveway on both my Aurions. I was thinking of using Vavoline MAX LIFE ATF. Buy genuine, I run their filters and transmission oils these days as they are nearly the same price as stuff from Supercheap and you can just screw them on and tip it in without a second thought. If the difference is less than $20, or round about, is it worth the peace of mind to you? However Amazon Au offer Valvoline Maxlife ATF which gets a lot of praise on toyotanation, clublexus & bitog: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07G5Y5QDV/?coliid=IPG0GHWHYRUBB&colid=2QBRP40IB6E&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it. They use Penrite products – for this, Penrite Multivehicle fully synthetic ATF LV. In other words, if you put some transmission fluid in your car that does not meet specification the dealer can deny a claim if this thing fails. ATF flush such as via its cooling lines, is risky to your transmission. Toyota type 4 is widely understood to be Mobil 3309 on every US forum I have ever read, Volvo use the aisin trannies and they are all specified 3309, from what I have read Volvo fluid is priced like gold. KV100 (cST) is 5.91, which is in the range quoted by Sir Fredoops. If they hand out bad advice willy-nilly to those that call, hungry lawyers will descend on them like buzzards on roadkill. That said, if they claim it replaces Toyota fluid, I would believe them before a bunch of strangers on the internet. Most indies will either use the Toyota WS, or the Penrite as noted in earlier in the thread. Toyota Ws Transmission Fluid Compatibility Articles & Shopping. Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. Why is this? This is an excellent video: https://youtu.be/XE_pi2yyLn8, Apparently the WS is just Toyota's branding of the oil made by Idemitsu. My local Toyota dealers price their atf competitively, meaning it’s almost not worth it to buy aftermarket and wonder if you’ll be alright. So if you use it and the transmission dies the next day, you are out of luck. Didn’t have to mess with any pump. Is it worth the risk? It seems to me that the difference in price between proper Toyota spec fluid (sourced properly) and MaxLife isn’t more than a couple of bucks per quart. The Toyota ATF is really good stuff, and if you go to any of the Toyota 4WD forums (Pradopoint, Lcool), there's a lot of discussion about the merits of the factory oil and the alternatives. I called them and they assured me it is compatable with T-lV and WS fluid. In 2002, Toyota releases the Genuine ATF WS (World Standard) Fluid Specification (JWS3324 or NWS9638). Thanks Kriger for the comments + Toyota link. Obviously Penrite don't show up on US forums. What could be better than the exact fluid specified in the owner’s manual? . Hyundai: WS transmission fluid, spec NWS-9638; Lexus, Toyota. I'd say 11-12litres should suffice. I’m not trying to argue I was trying to find out info on some other type of transmission fluid. WS (World Standard) ATF alternative (Toyota cars), I do not think much of Toyota any more with their marketing strategies even though they still make a. It's cork, while the OEM is the reusable type, part code 35168-33080. there cant be major differences viscosity or additive wise. Type WS when Type WS automatic transmission fluid is required for Lexus, Scion, Toyota and other make vehicles. Over the 100,000km cycle, it's likely the hardest working transmission will be in the big 4WDs. Ryco makes aftermarket kits – RTK166 for Aurion – and I've used the filter and the rubber o-ring, but for the gasket I went with the Toyota part. I am due for a ATF fluid exchange and am considering using this as replacement and doing changes every 100k mi. Yes I think I've read of more people using this, and can't find solid feedback on the Phoenix Lubricants brand that the mechanic has suggested. 46.000km and 29.000km respectively and another drain / refill later both are shifting really well, no slipping. No worries. It's now at 19x,xxx. From what I see from the previous owner's old service records, he changed the trans oil at 80k and again at 90k using 3 litres of Elfmatic MV synthetic each time. How could you beat that? We were specifically told that none of those parts were necessarily voiding the warranty. or simply not service the transmission at all. Here tis clean and detailed folks and go see the Kia dealer for the next year if you've got a problem ;). Go for it! I have always used the expensive Toyota trans fluid both T-lV and WS. You would think the German mob over the pond would make a better quality WS product equivalent . Would this be considered a full flush since all in all, 6 litres were drained and replaced over the 10,000km and does that mean there are no more remnants of the original WS in the transmission, TC and lines? FAST 'N FREE. The mechanic says he's done a few transmission flushes for Aurion taxis. Vaoline MAX LIFE meets Toyota spec. Toyota World Standard; 1 Quart Container; 12pcs per case Fits Lexus, Pontiac, Scion, Subaru, Toyota. The amount you put back in will mix with the old fluid and needs to be replaced when flushing. My local transmission workshop insists Max Life is the go. Toyota Genuine Atf Ws. The ironic thing about Toyota insisting the transmission oil are for 'lifetime' was they did not even bother to include any service interval for transmission oil change in the maintenance schedule. The same process repeated until bright red, clean fluid started to come out through the return hose. By the time I finished the 12L ATF, colour of fluid coming out is visually like new. Suggestions. They seemed confident when i double checked they could do the job, as it's very difficult with Aurion (no dipstick and have to be very particular about measuring the level at certain temps, etc). Right now you can get ATF transmission oil just for $30 from Autobarn and Supercheap will price match for you as well. Modern car owners have to understand car tech and materials tech is changing all the time and requires very specific fluid technology and it's simply not worth penny pinching and getting it wrong. That is NOT a warrantee. Toyota Type IV, which was essentially Dexron III; Toyota went from recommending Dexron III to type T-IV with no fundamental changes transmission wise and say the oil is backwards compatible. If you're in Adelaide I'd recommend The Unclutchables for the good oil on transmissions as they've been around a long time and know their stuff although there will be others-, Well note that PX Technician Series which includes Toyota WS also includes Mazda FZ specification-, and according to the selector also suitable for Mazda 6 speed Skyactiv transmissions (in the 2016-2020 CX9), http://content.valvoline.com/pdf/maxlife_atf.pdf, http://www.kd5byb.net/Tundra/ATF%20WS%20MSDS1.pdf. @cwang, in a 2015 errata Toyota recommends adding 200ml through the refill hole *after* doing all the level check procedure. toyota millions of dollars on environmental fee). Was 2003 the first year Toyota WS ATF fluid was installed at factory? If you use the non Toyota stuff, and you experience some sort of transmission failure down the road, guess where your mind might start to wander? The pan only holds like half the fluid, the rest sits in the TC and hoses. For late model, 2001+ models Toyota, Lexus and Scion used two types of transmission fluids for their automatic and hybrid trans-axles, namely T-IV (Pronounced tee-four) and WS (short for World Standard). Provides optimum frictional performance and durability for consistently smooth shifting over the life of the transmission. It's pretty much the same damn fluid. Toyota's World Standard (WS) ATF is one of the newest generation of ATF on the market. It met the specs only till T-IV. If the vehicle is under warranty then it would be advisable to use OEM as no one really wants to fight with the dealer in the event of a transmission issue. Genuine Toyota ATF – WS is Toyota’s “World Standard” automatic transmission fluid. You can be our Guinea Pig! PENRITE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID LV will not make any problems to your Toyota vehicle, it is already been used by many people. . Provides optimum frictional performance and durability for consistently smooth shifting over the life of the transmission. Tranny banged and grumbled all the way from there to Brisbane. Refer WEBER STATE UNIVERSITYATTC 4860 – National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) Standards and Transmission Fluids. MAX LIFE fluid is synthetic and Toyota ATF WS does not required drain/refill unless the vehicle is used to tow. I am trying to find a better substitute for T-lV and WS. If you've never serviced the transmission I suggest the complete service: fluid drain, pan drop and clean, replace the filter, refill, flush using the cooler return line and then fluid level check. Most folks here, including me, advise against it, but hey! Last time I bought type IV it was cheap, I cant see the WS being much more than whatever the aftermarket oil is. I agree the "no change" policy is difficult to justify. Older boxes specified Toyota Type IV, which was essentially Dexron III;You could quite happily use your off the shelf multi ATF's and never suffer any ill effects and lets not kid around – there are 11ty million Toyota's out there running non genuine transmission fluids without any issue. In their product info sheet they state that it WILL NOT void vechele warranty and if you or your customer have any transmission issues while using it to please contact them. Amsoil Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid. I have a 2005 LX470. I will probably default to buying the dealers crap again. I have always used the expensive Toyota trans fluid both T-lV and WS. We were specifically told to not talk smack about customers, when they rolled in with aftermarket brake pads, filters, and Big O tires. I just found out the Elfmatic MV does not meet Toyota WS specs. than buying from the dealer, As far as aftermarket Toyota-compatible atf goes, I’d be more comfortable using Idemitsu or Aisin fluid. Only you can answer that. They have pallets full of imported oil. Did that to my 2001 Camry with 4 speed auto transmission. Safest and easiest way is to drain it from the pan, without even taking the pan off, then refill, drive 10min, then repeat. I'd probably trust Penrite's range more, though when I look at CVT fluid for a future fluid change in my Subaru, there is a large range in brookfield viscosity between different brands claiming to be suitable (Penrite's is on the high side), and Subaru don't publish the specs of their fluid (to my knowledge), making it basically a guessing game informed by other people's experiences. Well note that PX Technician Series which includes Toyota WS also includes Mazda FZ specification-http://www.phoenixlubricants.com.au/13web/pdf/PX%20Technician%20Series%20Transmatic%20LV%20PDS.pdfand that goes in the 'sealed for life' Mazda Skyactiv 6 speed transmission assuming it needs any-https://mazda.oemdtc.com/725/atf-fz-required-for-skyactiv-drive-6-speed-automatic-transaxle-2012-2016-mazdawhich raises the question as to whether the trans fluid can be sucked out of there and renewed? New fluid uses gravity to flow from funnel, tube, the fill hole. It will never be a perfect flush with the most simplest method: drain and fill. It is that simple. (224) 224 product ratings - 5 Quart GENUINE TOYOTA ATF WS Automatic Transmission oil Fluid ATFWS Lexus Scion. Genuine Toyota ATF WS (World Standard) Specifically formulated by Toyota for Toyota vehicles Genuine Toyota Automatic Transmission Fluid is an advanced ATF designed by Toyota R&D specifically for Toyota automatic transmissions: Tested and approved by Toyota. Penrite full synthetic LV~60,000ks since this was put in my A750F, absolutely no issues. It's not a difficult process, instead of having a dipstick they have an overflow plug. I'd be guessing it's never been changed – we bought the car at 140k and I doubt the previous owner did it before then. The funnel was hooked to engine hood gas struct. Find Genuine ATF, Automatic Transmission Fluid 00289ATFWS at discount prices in our extensive auto parts catalog. We know that the dealers will lie just to make money. ... like amsoil or equivalent. That said there was always the notion that in some of the more powerful applications of the A340E (1jz/2jz boxes) the genuine fluid seemed to shift a tad better, it wasnt expensive genuine either, $30/4L was the going rate (kinda what you would pay for DexIII from Supercheap anyway), The later boxes that run the WS are vastly different; You cant just throw DexIII in and motor on like you used to be able to.Could be worse, could be a ZF box lol. AutohausAZ offers a large selection of Genuine parts online. Aim at 70-80% new fluid in system eventually. So it's gonna be similar to any other modern low viscosity, low zinc ATF .... Edit: Penrite LV ATF is 5.7 cST @100, so it's bang on within range for the Toyota WS. If you do not flush how you know if it is safe to mix OEM with aftermarket, remember that aftermarket fluid may not be licensed and you cannot compare the two specifications as the aftermarket only publish 6 or 8 out of a possible 24 to 36 specifications. It's really a cookie cutter low-zinc, low viscosity ATF formulation. I made it a point to tell him that we must use the proper fluid, as specified by the manual. Toyota's World Standard (WS) ATF is one of the newest generation of ATF on the market. Huh?Last time I checked it was like $60/4L in a tin – which is reasonable enough.Why would they quote you $300? I used 3 bottle of the Penrite full synthetic LV, about 12L in volume. One topic on TOCAU discussing Penrite and the service:https://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topic/54840-transmission-fluid-lv-4l-36/When dropping the pan I would strongly recommend replacing the gasket with an OEM part, costs about $30 at your local Toyota service centre. If you have an A341E transmission then there is a big difference. I suggest to get 2 bottles. They guessed it was due to heat. I did a lot of research at about a year ago and did the same with my Aurion. Also, they knew that if they approved such a repair, there was a fair chance the customer would buy their next product there, and would spread the good word to friends, neighbors, etc. https://www.repco.com.au/en/brands/penrite-oil/penrite-atf-lv-multivehicle-automatic-transmission-fluid-4l/p/A9614765. http://www.gllubricants.com/index.php?c=product&a=show&id=267&pid=78&product_id=108. I’m not defending dealerships. My car is out of warranty. I am around the northern suburbs. I was thinking of using Vavoline MAX LIFE ATF. It’s a win-win! When I worked at the dealer, I discovered it was actually quite difficult to void a claim, due to use of aftermarket filters and fluids. If it turns out to be too expensive at least 3 drain/refills several weeks apart, then one every 2 years. Belt driven CVT uses different fluid formulations. You can still service sealed transmissions, its just more annoying filling up because you need a pump. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUTOMATIC-TRANSMISSION-FLUID-WS-4L-TIN-TOYOTA-GENUINE-PARTS-/252193340723?hash=item3ab7e4fd33:g:VWgAAOSwDNdVyt7x. It' my understanding the A750 5spd transmission was first introduced in the 2003 Land Cruiser/LX470 USA. Although the 'Additional Service' regime for that halves the 6yr/90k to 3yrs/45k one criteria being at least 50% urban stop start driving at 32 deg C or higher. Because torque converter will always keep some fluid from draining out. My vehicles are 10 years old and I am sure oil technology has improved. I would only use the genuine stuff in my A750F. Almost all 2004 and above Toyota vehicles with automatic transmissions use the WS fluid specification. TOYOTA Genuine Lexus ATF Type T-IV Automatic Transmission Fluid OEM 12 Quart Type-4 ATF. No. Don’t need a separate pump, just turn on engine and the ATF starts to circulate by transmission built in pump. Equally true solutions - to use the genuine Type T-IV fluid or to use any ATF meets JWS 3309 specification - depending on the circumstances. He mentioned changing the filter too, so I really now need to confirm he will perform a flush, and not just a drain and refill once. Correct fluid level is indicated by having unsteady drips coming out from drain hole which has the straw fully screwed in, providing the fluid temperature is within range. What’s more, the dealership and/or manufacturer often just approved the warranty repairs, so as to not risk damaging the dealership and/or manufacturer’s reputation. W0133-1930425 Any case, you will regret doing the flush. It works out cheaper than the Penrite alternative. The Penrite ATF LV is $3 dearer so I think it would come down to which would be thought of as the better quality product . This stuff has been on my car for 60,000km! I asked about using WS oil, and they were ok with this, just needed to bring in about 12 litres IIRC. http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Penrite-LV-Automatic-Transmission-Fluid-LV-4-Litre/396357, The out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists recommended "Phoenix PX Transmatic LV" which is a local Australian company located here in Victoria , Dandenong though it does seem as much as Toyota want to not admit it seems you can use any specified fully synthetic WS (World Standard) oil. Anyone had any experience with Phoenix transmission fluid? I will probably default to buying the dealers crap again. It meets or exceeds all Toyota warranty retirements. Napa carries Idemitsu. I was hopping someone who may work in a transmission shop might have some experience with different transmission fluids for Toyotas, By law car manufactures can not void your wananty if you use non Toyota fluids as long as the fluids meet their specs, I don’t know if this is technically a law, but have you ever heard of Moss-Magnusson /, Yes it is a law and I am familiar with it. Specifically formulated for use in Toyota sealed automatic transmissions. Was doing research today and found out that the stealership replaced what is supposed to be in the owner's manual only "WS" Toyota fluid with a "BG brands" product number 314 full synthetic fluid. I get mine from this warehouse in Sydney. . Yes and no, Subaru's CVT is very similar to the Audi Multi-tronic... because it's designed by and use parts from the same engineering firm (Schaeffler), and most "chain driven" CVT's have similar fluids anyhow. Do you think making a statement like that benefits the customer. I don't know. Do you have in writing from Valvoline that they will cover damage? The 5.5 to 6.5 cST @ 100 range means most modern synthetic low viscosity ATF will do the job. Best motor oil and transmission fluid money can buy.I am independent AMSOIL dealer. whereas number 6 for the 7th year jumps up to $550 so maybe it's trans fluid change time like the Mitsi fourby including its transfer case and diffs. 252-2006 ©2018 Federal-Mogul Motorparts LLC. T-IV initially replaced Dexron III as the transmission fluid of choice for Toyota and Lexus automatics starting in the early 90s. I am trying to find a better substitute for T-lV and WS. Supplied 12L of the stuff to the mechanic to do the flush. Duh! I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. Mind you with the missus Kia shopping trolley the first 5 fixed price services average $340 p.a. I’m merely stating that the simple use of aftermarket parts does not necessarily equal a voided warranty, even if they at first glance seem like incorrect and cheap parts. Don't think it is available in Australia though.https://www.idemitsulubricants.com/idemitsu/atf-cvtf/atf. and save little or no money, possibly spend even more than for the factory fluid . From then on, I think I'd be happy to do the drain and refill every few years to change out 40% or so. I pretty much have my mind set on Penrite ATF LV and very timely too as it is on sale now! I've seen VOA's of ATF WS. Without a doubt its made locally by someone, Toyota might tell you who but you'll never get anyone on record as to what product it is. Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. :(. Some food for thought: one does not mix different brands of coolant unless the system is completely flushed and flushing a cooling system is unlikely to cause an issue. 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